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General Info / New Facebook Group
« Last post by jol on August 30, 2021, 02:15:07 PM »New Facebook Group is https://www.facebook.com/groups/1995424447278166
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General Info / Re: RYA C19 Advice
« Last post by jol on September 26, 2020, 09:18:47 AM »the Latest RYA advice for RYA Clubs in England following recent Government announcements
(September 10, 2020) can be read here
(September 10, 2020) can be read here
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General Info / Re: RYA C19 Advice
« Last post by jol on July 09, 2020, 12:59:37 PM »unlimited outdoor activity is now permitted in England including all forms of boating, however as the RYA states:
We will, as a boating community, take a considerate and conservative approach
• Be considerate: be mindful of the potential impact that you could have on other water users and do not place unnecessary extra strain on the RNLI and emergency services.
• Be conservative: help to minimise risk by taking an extra conservative approach to your boating.
We will, as a boating community, take a considerate and conservative approach
• Be considerate: be mindful of the potential impact that you could have on other water users and do not place unnecessary extra strain on the RNLI and emergency services.
• Be conservative: help to minimise risk by taking an extra conservative approach to your boating.
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General Info / Latest RYA C19 Advice
« Last post by jol on June 25, 2020, 01:38:36 PM »Latest RYA Advice HERE
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General Info / Re: RYA C19 Advice
« Last post by jol on May 16, 2020, 02:32:42 PM »"The RYA has set up twice weekly video-conferences for the NW Region - with reps from almost every club in the region..
On these calls it was confirmed that so far no clubs in the North West have restarted sailing. Many have been advised by their local councils not to expect to restart activities until July at the earliest."
On these calls it was confirmed that so far no clubs in the North West have restarted sailing. Many have been advised by their local councils not to expect to restart activities until July at the earliest."
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General Info / Re: RYA C19 Advice - Latest Advice
« Last post by jol on May 14, 2020, 02:20:22 PM »– they're asking you to think twice, even three times before you embark upon travelling to the Lake District for your exercise. The risk, however small, is real, and this was written by a MRT member of over 30 years with probably around 1000 incidents under his belt, He knows, accidents happen."
20 points to his MR letter -- important reading for those thinking of travelling anywhere far from their locality or engaging in even slightly risky pursuits of walking or sailing etc
the local Sailing Club similarly have said just yesterday
we all need to continue to be super self scrutinizing at this time, as further evidenced in yesterday's figures which reveal 61,741 tests with 3,242 positive, which when you consider the low level of tests, means that there are a lot of 'transmissible' folks out there -- none wearing a red carnation
The asymptomatic transmissibility is why this Pandemic has spread round the globe faster than Phileus Fogg.
and remember there have unfortunately been many people wearing PPE who have caught/spread/recovered and worse.
that it only affects 20% symptomatically is still a huge figure, and while we have large infection rates in care homes and general rates in cumbria are still very high, and while ICU may not be full, staff are exhausted and a second high wave could well overwhelm not only NHS but Police and others who have been on the limit for near on 2 months.
Services already stretched and knackered, having to respond should someone become symptomatic as a result of our actions, then not only can infection spread, but those out there dealing with it are less likely to be available, should we need to lock down again - which is highly likely judging by some of the pictures in tubes and buses, and some regional parks and public places y'day.
And also those asymptomatics that may contract when in our presence may then become positive by virtue of testing and then their nearest and dearest are required to lockdown, and if any of these people are keyworkers then the situation further worsens and is put under pressure.
Once rates are reliably seen to be lower which wouldn't be long if a real lockdown was held for a few weeks then more movement would be acceptable, but as of now we are still very very much up to our armpits in this.
We can & will better live with this virus once proper testing is available and when regional response, local trace and lockdown is operational which shouldn't take too long to organise
20 points to his MR letter -- important reading for those thinking of travelling anywhere far from their locality or engaging in even slightly risky pursuits of walking or sailing etc
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Hello All,[/size]
Hopefully you’re all managing to stay safe and healthy through the Covid-19 pandemic.
We know that many of you will be desperate to get back on the fells and trails, and to get your Lake District “fix”. The relaxation of the Coronavirus lockdown may have been music to your ears, when the Prime Minister stated that it is now Ok to drive any distance to take your exercise. This came as a total surprise to us as a Mountain Rescue Team (MRT), Cumbria Police, Cumbria Tourist Board, The Lake District National Park and also The National Trust. Simply, the Lake District is NOT ready for a large influx of visitors. The hospitality sector remains closed, some car parks may be re-opening, along with some toilet facilities, but this is an enforced opening due to this announcement to cater for those that do decide to come, rather than an invitation.
Why are we, Coniston Mountain Rescue Team, so concerned about the relaxation of the travel to exercise rules? Maybe if we talk you through what happens it may explain why we’re worried.
Firstly, we are all volunteers – most of us have day jobs from which we take time off to deal with incidents during work hours, or time out of the rest of our lives “out of hours”, and secondly most of us have families who we need to protect.
How a rescue might play out during the Covid-19 pandemic:-
1. Paul and Sarah came up from Preston, and have summited the Old Man of Coniston, had their lunch and set off down towards Goats Water.
2. Paul slips and hears a crack from his left ankle, Sarah tries to help, but Paul can’t put weight on his ankle which is at a funny angle anyway. Paul is 15 stone and 6ft 2 tall. Sarah is fit but no way could she help Paul back down.
3. Sarah dials 999, remembers to ask for Police and then Mountain Rescue, the operator takes the details and asks a lot of questions to assess the Covid-19 risk posed by both Paul & Sarah to the MRT, and subsequently to Ambulance and medical staff that will need to treat Paul.
4. In the meantime, four groups of people come by, they all say they’d love to help but haven’t got any Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) and must socially distance themselves by at least 2 metres.
5. The Police alert Coniston MRT to the incident via SARCALL, and the Duty Team Leader (TL) calls Sarah, having sent her a link by text for her to click on to confirm their exact position, and asks more questions, to work out the resources needed.
6. The TL then calls other members of the Leader Group to discuss the requirements and decides a 10 member group is required on the hill, and alerts the Team to that requirement.
7. The Team numbers are depleted anyway, we have a number of people who contribute massively to the Team generally but are over 70 years old, i.e. higher risk group, we have people who may be shielding a family member, or at risk themselves due to underlying medical conditions that normally wouldn’t be an issue. So a team of 10 assemble at the MRT base, plus someone to run the base – this person is important as it helps with coordination of other services letting the hill party get on with the job.
8. All members are briefed regarding the incident, and check all are happy with the unknown invisible risk posed by the incident; the risk of walking up the fell is taken as read and a baseline anyway. All PPE is checked.
9. Team members climb aboard two of the Team’s three vehicles. Why only two when social distancing could be better in 3 vehicles? The need to decontaminate the vehicles on return probably outweighs the advantage of social distancing, and it leaves another vehicle able to respond to any other incidents.
10. Normally the Team would mobilise within 10-15 minutes of this type of call, due to all the pre-checks, personnel checks etc., time elapsed thus far is 45 minutes.
11. The vehicles arrive at the road head, one last check on PPE and kit for the incident, including radios, and the Team sets off for the casualty site. Walking time to site is around 45-60 minutes.
12. The Team can’t call on the Air Ambulance for support as they're off-line for this type of incident due to staff being redeployed elsewhere in the NHS or due to other priorities and risk factors so cannot support. Similar with Coastguard Helicopters...
13. On site, one casualty carer and one assistant will approach the casualty with as much PPE on as possible, and may well apply PPE to the patient before carrying out a full primary survey, in this case that’s simple, Paul’s ankle is (probably) broken, and there are no other underlying medical factors like a head injury, multiple other injuries or catastrophic bleeding.
14. The casualty carer and helper would normally give Paul some Entonox (pain killing gas) while they straighten his ankle to ensure a pulse at the foot and also maybe a pain killing injection. The injection takes 15 mins or so to work, but Entonox is not given because of the potential risk of contamination. However, the foot needs straightening ASAP to restore the pulse in Paul’s foot. Paul screams as the casualty carer re-aligns the foot (it’s called reducing the injury) to restore circulation and allow for splinting.
15. Paul’s ankle is splinted and although he’s still in pain, it’s less than it was and the painkilling injection is starting to take effect. Time elapsed since Paul fell is now 2 hours 15 mins.
16. The Team moves in and helps Paul on to the stretcher, the stretcher is made of stainless steel and heavy, it is about 2.5 metres long and maybe 0.6 metre wide, usually it takes 8 people to carry a loaded stretcher, they cannot socially distance.
17. The Team carries Paul down to the Walna Scar road, where they’ve asked a North West Ambulance Service land ambulance to meet them to reduce potential contamination at base. The carry down has taken 2 hours, so now it’s 4 hrs 15 since Paul fell. Paul is transferred to the Ambulance and taken to Furness General Hospital. Sarah can’t drive, but can’t go in the Ambulance either. How can the Team get Sarah re-united with Paul and then how do they both get home to Preston when Paul is fixed? What happens to their car? In normal circumstances we can fix these issues, not so easy in the Covid-19 pandemic.
18. The Team returns to base and starts to decontaminate the stretcher, the vehicles, the non-disposable medical equipment, the splint and themselves. Jackets and other clothing are all bagged ready to go in their washing machines when they get home, which takes a further 1 hour 15 minutes. Total time elapsed 5hrs 30 minutes. Total man hours 10 folk on the hill plus 1 running base = 60.5 man hours.
19. Paul is admitted to Furness General Hospital after a wait of 1 hour at A&E. He is taken to cubicles and X Rayed to understand his ankle injury better. He is also routinely tested for Covid-19. Paul’s ankle needs an operation to pin it as the break is a bad one.
20. Paul’s Covid-19 test comes back positive. Oh dear! Paul is asymptomatic, he has the virus but is either naturally immune or has not yet developed symptoms. The message is passed back to Coniston MRT, who then have to check the records of those on the incident. Every one of them, the ten people on the incident and the base controller, must now self isolate and so must their families, so now we have maybe 35 people all having to self-isolate. Plus possibly the Ambulance crew and their families.
21. Three days later Eric from Essex decides he wants to come to Coniston to do the 7 Wainwrights in the Coniston Fells. He sets off, and completes Dow Crag, the Old Man, Brim Fell along to Swirl How and Great Carrs and across to Grey Friar, then on up to Wetherlam. Eric puts his foot down on a rock, the rock moves and Eric is in a heap on the floor, his foot is at a funny angle...he gets his phone out and dials for Mountain Rescue... but there are only three people available from the Coniston Team now, so the decision needs to be taken by the Coniston MRT duty leader which Team to call to support, Neighbouring Teams are Langdale-Ambleside and Duddon & Furness MRT’s. The issue is, they’re in the same situation as Coniston with people self-isolating due to potential contamination, or their members are keyworkers in the NHS and can’t deploy on MRT incidents.
So – we’re asking you to think twice, even three times before you embark upon travelling to the Lake District for your exercise. The risk, however small, is real, and I write this as a MRT member for over 30 years with probably around 1000 incidents under my belt, I know, accidents happen.
the local Sailing Club similarly have said just yesterday
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"Just Because You Can Doesn't Mean You Should"
No Change To Coniston Sailing Club
On Monday we contacted all members saying that we were reviewing the implications of the Government's announcement. We have now done a thorough review and the Committee have decided that the right thing to do, right now, is to keep the clubhouse shut, and continue to ask members not to come to Coniston Sailing Club. In the words of Cumbria's Police Constable "Just because you can doesn't mean that you should"!
Whilst the Government have said that we can travel to be in the outdoors, and sailing is an activity that is now allowed, it is our strongly held view that now is not the right time to come to the Club. The main reasons for our decision are:
Over the past 48 hours many local organisations, including the Police, LDNPA, the Parish Council, & Mountain Rescue have asked that visitors stay away.
Our facilities, and those locally, remain shut. Our cleaners are currently not working and therefore we don't yet have a safe solution for opening, even on a reduced basis - so no toilets!
Your safety whilst sailing is severely compromised as there is still no safety cover on the lake. Any incident would therefore involve the emergency services. We do not believe that having to rely on them is the right thing to do.
There is significant concern within the local community about a significant influx of visitors.
Having taken guidance from others, including the RYA, we do have a plan for how we will initially open the club. We hope that we will be able to implement this at the end of the month and will share the details with you over the coming days.
We know that we all want to get back to the club that we love, however we ask you, please, to continue being patient and stay away for now.
Stay Alert, Control the Virus, Save Lives
we all need to continue to be super self scrutinizing at this time, as further evidenced in yesterday's figures which reveal 61,741 tests with 3,242 positive, which when you consider the low level of tests, means that there are a lot of 'transmissible' folks out there -- none wearing a red carnation
The asymptomatic transmissibility is why this Pandemic has spread round the globe faster than Phileus Fogg.
and remember there have unfortunately been many people wearing PPE who have caught/spread/recovered and worse.
that it only affects 20% symptomatically is still a huge figure, and while we have large infection rates in care homes and general rates in cumbria are still very high, and while ICU may not be full, staff are exhausted and a second high wave could well overwhelm not only NHS but Police and others who have been on the limit for near on 2 months.
Services already stretched and knackered, having to respond should someone become symptomatic as a result of our actions, then not only can infection spread, but those out there dealing with it are less likely to be available, should we need to lock down again - which is highly likely judging by some of the pictures in tubes and buses, and some regional parks and public places y'day.
And also those asymptomatics that may contract when in our presence may then become positive by virtue of testing and then their nearest and dearest are required to lockdown, and if any of these people are keyworkers then the situation further worsens and is put under pressure.
Once rates are reliably seen to be lower which wouldn't be long if a real lockdown was held for a few weeks then more movement would be acceptable, but as of now we are still very very much up to our armpits in this.
We can & will better live with this virus once proper testing is available and when regional response, local trace and lockdown is operational which shouldn't take too long to organise
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General Info / RYA C19 Advice
« Last post by jol on April 21, 2020, 12:13:31 PM »RYA C19 Advice
In case anyone in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is tempted to be out on the water, the official recommendations of all governing bodies such as British Canoeing, the Royal Yachting Association and the Environment Agency are that recreational boating such as sailing or canoeing/kayaking should not be undertaken until further notice. Any such activity has the potential to make unnecessary demands on the emergency services and/or the National Health Service when they have enough to deal with at this time.
Stay Safe, Stay Home unless you're helping
Keep Socially Close, but physically distant
In case anyone in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is tempted to be out on the water, the official recommendations of all governing bodies such as British Canoeing, the Royal Yachting Association and the Environment Agency are that recreational boating such as sailing or canoeing/kayaking should not be undertaken until further notice. Any such activity has the potential to make unnecessary demands on the emergency services and/or the National Health Service when they have enough to deal with at this time.
Stay Safe, Stay Home unless you're helping
Keep Socially Close, but physically distant
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General Info / Re: Only LBBC Members can Register
« Last post by jol on March 21, 2019, 12:03:42 PM »in this area ---> everyone -- the Public!!
click the orange Home button above and then click the Board you wish to post in
enjoy
click the orange Home button above and then click the Board you wish to post in
enjoy
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General Info / Welcome to the LBBC forum!
« Last post by SarahW on March 20, 2019, 09:09:33 PM »This is the general section, not exclusive to members. Members of LBBC should have a go at registering and logging in; you will then be able to see info available to all members, and add your own posts.
For those who are not members, Lake Bank Boat Club exists to provide a boating base at the South West corner of Coniston. We have a compound for small boat storage, and a small basic clubhouse. The property belongs to the Rawdon Smith Trust, who own the bed and shoreline of the lake. Members either have a mooring close to Lake Bank, and keep a tender there to access their boat on the mooring; or they have a small boat, commonly a canoe, which is kept in the compound.
There is a waiting list for those wanting to be members, who do not have a mooring.
Annual subscription, including a berth in the compound, is #140, payable to the Rawdon Smith Trust.
For further information, please contact the LBBC secretary Peter Altounyan by email: paltounyan@aol.com
For those who are not members, Lake Bank Boat Club exists to provide a boating base at the South West corner of Coniston. We have a compound for small boat storage, and a small basic clubhouse. The property belongs to the Rawdon Smith Trust, who own the bed and shoreline of the lake. Members either have a mooring close to Lake Bank, and keep a tender there to access their boat on the mooring; or they have a small boat, commonly a canoe, which is kept in the compound.
There is a waiting list for those wanting to be members, who do not have a mooring.
Annual subscription, including a berth in the compound, is #140, payable to the Rawdon Smith Trust.
For further information, please contact the LBBC secretary Peter Altounyan by email: paltounyan@aol.com
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General Info / Re: Only LBBC Members can Register
« Last post by SarahW on March 20, 2019, 08:43:08 PM »Hello Jol. Who am I replying to? Sarah